we discuss his relationship with barack obama, how he realized the magnitude of the office and how he uses the room. every president makes the oval office theirs. what have you done to make this yours? >> well, a lot of things. we had these incredible flags including the american flags. they were in different rooms and they were always being pushed around because they didn't have enough room. i said, how beautiful. the base, the flags, army, navy, marine corps. i mean, just so beautiful. just so beautiful. coast guard flag over here. and i said, well, let's see how they look in the oval office. so the flags are up. the picture of thomas jefferson i put up. the picture of andrew jackson i put up. because they said his campaign and my campaign tended to mirror each other. so we did a lot of -- actually, we did a lot of work. it's a much different look than it was previously. >> what would fred trump --

>> that's my father. and i have one coming of my mother. >> what would he say? >> he'd be proud. he was a great guy, good heart, tough guy. great heart. and he'd be very proud. >> you said the white house is like a cocoon sometimes. tell me about that. >> well, i was very well known as you understand prior to this. but that was a different type -- that was a different world. this is something you are really in your own little world. secret service, they're phenomenal, but they are all over the place. i mean, they are the real deal. they're all over the place. if i wanted to get out, drive my car to a certain location and go do something, you can't do that anymore. i haven't been able to do that for a long period of time, but all of that i understand. i guess i assumed that that would happen if you won. and most importantly, i think we're doing a very good job and i enjoy it. >> tell me about what you -- you

do a lot of your work in here. >> i do. i'm here a lot. >> why in here and not other places? >> i feel very warm toward the oval office. it's a great symbol. also, when i have certain people that we want to negotiate -- for instance, i was negotiating to reduce the price of the big fighter jet contract, the f-35 which was totally out of control. i will save billions and billions and billions of dollars, and calling from here and meeting here and having meetings on that contract i think gives you great additional power if you want to know the truth. >> so what -- >> other people have come in, big people from big companies have been to the white house 50 times. someone you know, the head of a major company, have you been to the white house? yeah, 50 times. so i said you have been to the

oval office. he said, no, i have never been in the oval office. i brought him in and he started to cry. this is a tough person, by the way. came into the oval office and started to cry. now, this is a person with a magnificent office with beautiful glass walls and everything. you understand. you have seen those offices before. but there is something very special about this space. >> someone going to behave like that in here, how do you know that people aren't telling you you want to hear? >> you mean with the tears? >> no, they see the oval office, they say yes, mr. president, who tells you no? >> i think when i have foreign leaders here, no matter what country, no matter how big, we had chancellor merkel. we had them all. they come here. they still take notice at the oval office. >> right. that's what i mean. >> they mean it. >> one of the worries about a presidency everybody tells you yes. nobody helps you figure out where your blind spots are. how do you -- how do you find that? >> i guess it's one of those things in life you have to

figure out. maybe i have been figuring that out anyway long before i got here. but some things you have to be able to pig your out. but this is a special place. the white house is special. the oval office. very special. >> any other gadgets you have gotten installed here since you came? >> well, everyone thinks that this is very ominous right here. see this? these are phones. these are very -- you know, very secure phones but this is a very ominous looking because of the red button. >> what does that get you -- >> well, that gets you a coke or gets you a pepsi. >> oh. >> one or the other. any other cola companies i should mention, right? it gets you something. but every time i press that, people -- they'll be sitting down. i've changed the way it works. i'll have people sitting here. used to be they never had chairs that anybody can remember in front of the desk. i have always done it this way.

i have been at the desk, i have people here. usually they would sit on the sofas. but this is the resolute desk. a great desk with a phenomenal history. many great presidents were behind this desk and then some choose other desks. they have about seven desks that you can actually choose, but i like this. this was fdr, it was ronald reagan, it was kennedy. it's -- some great presidents behind this desk. >> george w. bush said the oval office is around is because there are no corners to hide in. >> there's truth to that. there's no corners. there is an openness, but there's nobody out there. i have never seen anybody out there as you can imagine. >> what he meant -- it's all securi secure. >> yeah. that's true. >> when did it hit you, the magnitude of the office and regard will z o -- regardless of what happened, the buck stops with you. >> it's the bigness of the office, it's the bigness of the transactions and the deals. you look at the order planes.

it's bigger than any order of planes. you look at aircraft carriers that cost $10 billion and $12 billion to build and submarines that cost $5 billion to build. it's the magnitude, but most importantly, you know, the decision is like when i made the decision to go with syria, the 59 tomahawk missiles, unbelievable technology. we have unbelievable talent. but those are tough decisions. those aren't like decisions that i'm going to buy a building. >> tough why? >> because it's human lives. >> killing people? >> killing people. and you can kill the wrong people too. you know, those things go off and they end up in a town or they end up in a city and you have another tragedy on your hands. so these decisions are unbelievable. you know, in terms of the importance because it's human. it's killing. i hate it.

but things have to be done. >> how do you learn that skill? who do you call to say what it's like? > there's nobody you can call. >> did president obama did you any advice that was helpful? >> well, he was nice to me, but after that we have had some difficulties. so it doesn't matter. you know, words are less important to me than deeds. you saw what happened with surveillance. >> difficulties how? >> well, you saw what happened with surveillance. and i think that was inappropriate. >> what does that mean -- >> you can figure that out yourself. >> well, the reason i asked, you called him sick and bad. >> look, you can figure it out yourself. he was very nice to me with words but -- and when i was with him. but after that there has been no relationship. >> but you stand by that claim about -- >> i don't stand by anything. you can take it the way you want. everybody is talking about it and frankly it should be discussed. i think that is a very big surveillance of our citizens. i think it's a very big topic

and it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what the hell is going on. >> i wanted to find out though, you're the president of the united states, you said he's sick and bad. >> you can take it any way you want. >> i'm asking you. you don't want to be fake news. i want to hear from president trump. >> you don't have to ask me. >> why not? >> i have my own opinions. you can have your own opinions. >> but i want to know your opinions. you're the president of the united states. >> that's enough, thank you. thank you very much.